Crazy Talk
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Apr. 29th, 2008 | 09:19 pm
mood: Crazy, obviously
Alright, I need to get something off my chest. I am very wary of making my LJ into a big pity party, so I often don't share this kind of information. If you don't want to look at this, skip it.
My whole adult life, I have had issues around women and me. For as long as I can remember, I have firmly believed that I was undesirable. In the last few years, it has been brought to my attention that things aren't nearly that bad, and I'm apparently quite desirable. But I can't make myself believe it. It's not that I don't want to, or don't see the signs, or don't want to be involved with someone, I really do. But I cannot make myself believe that it could happen. This is an irrational, uncontrollable belief, and it has resisted everything I have thrown at it, including things that have worked on other bad thought patterns. I have been running into this brick wall again and again and again, and I'm starting to see blood, metaphorically speaking. I don't know what to do.
To give you some perspective on this problem, let's go through my thought pattern when it comes up: Upon seeing an attractive woman, my first thought is "Oh wow." My second thought, close on the heels of the first, is "You're not good enough for her" or "She's WAY out of your league" or something similar. The more attractive I find the woman, the worse this is. This thought, combined with the evidence at hand of my own shortcomings, of whom no one is more aware than me, serves to shatter anything good generated by the first thought. This one-two is quickly followed by several other thoughts: "Don't you dare bother that awesome woman", "Don't look at her, don't talk to her, don't harass/molest/annoy her, you creepy nerd", "How dare you even think about her". Bad, I know. So I do my best to stay distant, to keep from annoying them or being creepy, and to basically not let them know I exist. The end result of this thought process, which takes about 2-3 seconds in the real world, is that women think I'm not interested, or even worse, that I dislike them somehow. When I see that they're feeling this way, because of behavior I cannot seem to stop, I feel like I'm locked in a cage in my head, and I'm rattling the bars and screaming "No, no! That's not it! You're awesome, I'm the loser here!" But I would never say that, because this is my problem, not theirs. But I'm creating a self-fulfilling prophecy with this behavior, and I am at a loss as to how to stop it. This whole process has gotten streamlined lately, so that I go from seeing-hawt-woman to depression-and-withdrawal right away. I don't even like looking at attractive women anymore, because it just ruins my day. I stopped going to Roller Derby, because I ended up being depressed all weekend afterwards.
Now, I can almost see what you're saying in response to this, some of you out there. "Just stop that negative pattern", "Don't let that voice control you", "Fight back against the negative thinking." Believe me, I know how to do all this. I've done it before with other aspects of my life, and I've had great success. Every time I hear that voice I turn around and smash it with the mental/emotional hammer I've used to overcome so many, many other obstacles. But in this one place, I have failed again and again and again, my entire adult life. I have watched some truly, utterly fabulous women pass me by, because I'm trapped in this feedback loop. There are women that I think the world of, that I would do anything for, but they don't know that and I can't make myself say anything to them. I have even had women come gunning for me, and I hoped that that would short-circuit the effect, but it doesn't. It only seems to get worse.
I tried for a while pretending that I didn't feel this way. I thought if I just ignored the voice and acted like I felt okay, eventually I would. And I got pretty far. But at the moment of truth, I locked up. 2-3 years ago, I had a great gal at my house, she was giving off the "I'm ready anytime you are" signals, things were looking good. And I could not make myself lift a damn finger. She ended up leaving after a few hours, clearly very disappointed. It's not that I don't know what to do, it's not that I can't perform, as they say - I cannot believe, even when it's right there living and breathing in front of me, that I could be wanted by someone. Fuji spent years trying to convince me of it, and even still, I never could believe it. I want to believe it. But I cannot overcome this compulsion.
Short answer: I'm fucking crazy.
I have begun to tackle it from a different perspective - rather than thinking of it as a problem in itself, I have begun to question whether or not it is a symptom of something else, something deeper. I have gained a few insights, but I still feel as though I'm staring at a huge black monolith of a problem, it's surface worn smooth with my attempts to erode it away.
I have considered that it's a facet of my paranoia. Being paranoid means you always think someone's talking behind your back while being fake to your face, people are constantly plotting against you somehow, and no one really says what they mean. I've learned over the years to recognize paranoid thoughts and dismiss them. They always disintegrate in the face of logic. Arguments like "Why would Alex think that about you?" or "Why would Sarah say something like that about you? That makes no sense." or "Your bosses have better things to do than come up with elaborate plots to fire you" have always shoved the paranoia monster right back down in his hole. Indeed, the most effective and liberating realization I ever had was that most people don't spend that much time thinking about me at all. Not that I'm unloved, but paranoia is a very self-centered mindset, and slapping it with the strong realization that "it's not about you" shrivels it up like salt on a slug. But when your first instinct is to assume that people are somehow hiding something from you, it feeds the voice that says "She doesn't really like you, she's just being polite because she's a nice person and you're a turd and she pities you." And when I meet someone who really is a nice person, as well as being a stone-cold hottie, and she does something volatile like talk to me (gasp!), then the thought process mentioned above kicks in and I can't even bring myself to say something back to her. And then I look like a massive jerk, or like I'm not interested, or I'm just plain anti-social, and there goes that self-fulfilling prophecy again. And then seeing the effects of my failure brought on by my madness fuels the madness itself (See what you did to her? See how you made her feel! You dick!), and I end up miserable again. And all this poor girl did was walk in the room and smile at me.
Another possibility is a sense of self-perfection that has plagued me since I was a child. My mother, if you give her the slightest provocation, will tell you all about how I would never try something new because I might be bad at it. When I was a kid, I wouldn't play Pac-Man in the arcade with the other kids, because I might be bad at it. I tried roller skating once, fell down, and that was the end of it. Now, as an adult, I see a gorgeous woman, and then I look down at my massive gut and I look around at my house full of video games and think "What the hell makes you think you're good enough?" But here's the clencher: I think, "Okay, weight loss time. Houston, we have motivation. Gonna turn those negative thoughts into positive ones." Part of me says "Ditch the games, goober. Start investing in stocks, get a real job and buy a Porsche if you want a woman. Play the game." But I know that would lead to real serious unhappiness for me, my hobbies bring me too much joy. And I know better than to sacrifice my happiness in the pursuit of companionship, that always ends badly. Eventually, however, I come to the realization that even if I were a millionaire Ivy-League underwear model, I still wouldn't be good enough for myself. It's a game I can't possibly win, and any motivation I had goes out the window. If you can't win, why play?
This too, is fucking crazy.
I'm tired of being crazy. I'm tired of my thoughts going in circles every damn day. I'm tired of being depressed by things that I love. I'm tired of alienating people I would like to attract, I'm tired of coming off as abrasive and off-putting to people I want to get close to. I have some wonderfully patient friends who have been drug through a lot over this, and I've worn out the patience of more than one of them. Poor Amanda has been trying for several years, and every now and then she tests the waters. This post, in a way, is for people like her, and Bob, and Jeremy, and Loreena, and Sarah C., and anyone else who's tried to help me sort this out.
I'm crazy. And I don't know how to stop it.
My whole adult life, I have had issues around women and me. For as long as I can remember, I have firmly believed that I was undesirable. In the last few years, it has been brought to my attention that things aren't nearly that bad, and I'm apparently quite desirable. But I can't make myself believe it. It's not that I don't want to, or don't see the signs, or don't want to be involved with someone, I really do. But I cannot make myself believe that it could happen. This is an irrational, uncontrollable belief, and it has resisted everything I have thrown at it, including things that have worked on other bad thought patterns. I have been running into this brick wall again and again and again, and I'm starting to see blood, metaphorically speaking. I don't know what to do.
To give you some perspective on this problem, let's go through my thought pattern when it comes up: Upon seeing an attractive woman, my first thought is "Oh wow." My second thought, close on the heels of the first, is "You're not good enough for her" or "She's WAY out of your league" or something similar. The more attractive I find the woman, the worse this is. This thought, combined with the evidence at hand of my own shortcomings, of whom no one is more aware than me, serves to shatter anything good generated by the first thought. This one-two is quickly followed by several other thoughts: "Don't you dare bother that awesome woman", "Don't look at her, don't talk to her, don't harass/molest/annoy her, you creepy nerd", "How dare you even think about her". Bad, I know. So I do my best to stay distant, to keep from annoying them or being creepy, and to basically not let them know I exist. The end result of this thought process, which takes about 2-3 seconds in the real world, is that women think I'm not interested, or even worse, that I dislike them somehow. When I see that they're feeling this way, because of behavior I cannot seem to stop, I feel like I'm locked in a cage in my head, and I'm rattling the bars and screaming "No, no! That's not it! You're awesome, I'm the loser here!" But I would never say that, because this is my problem, not theirs. But I'm creating a self-fulfilling prophecy with this behavior, and I am at a loss as to how to stop it. This whole process has gotten streamlined lately, so that I go from seeing-hawt-woman to depression-and-withdrawal right away. I don't even like looking at attractive women anymore, because it just ruins my day. I stopped going to Roller Derby, because I ended up being depressed all weekend afterwards.
Now, I can almost see what you're saying in response to this, some of you out there. "Just stop that negative pattern", "Don't let that voice control you", "Fight back against the negative thinking." Believe me, I know how to do all this. I've done it before with other aspects of my life, and I've had great success. Every time I hear that voice I turn around and smash it with the mental/emotional hammer I've used to overcome so many, many other obstacles. But in this one place, I have failed again and again and again, my entire adult life. I have watched some truly, utterly fabulous women pass me by, because I'm trapped in this feedback loop. There are women that I think the world of, that I would do anything for, but they don't know that and I can't make myself say anything to them. I have even had women come gunning for me, and I hoped that that would short-circuit the effect, but it doesn't. It only seems to get worse.
I tried for a while pretending that I didn't feel this way. I thought if I just ignored the voice and acted like I felt okay, eventually I would. And I got pretty far. But at the moment of truth, I locked up. 2-3 years ago, I had a great gal at my house, she was giving off the "I'm ready anytime you are" signals, things were looking good. And I could not make myself lift a damn finger. She ended up leaving after a few hours, clearly very disappointed. It's not that I don't know what to do, it's not that I can't perform, as they say - I cannot believe, even when it's right there living and breathing in front of me, that I could be wanted by someone. Fuji spent years trying to convince me of it, and even still, I never could believe it. I want to believe it. But I cannot overcome this compulsion.
Short answer: I'm fucking crazy.
I have begun to tackle it from a different perspective - rather than thinking of it as a problem in itself, I have begun to question whether or not it is a symptom of something else, something deeper. I have gained a few insights, but I still feel as though I'm staring at a huge black monolith of a problem, it's surface worn smooth with my attempts to erode it away.
I have considered that it's a facet of my paranoia. Being paranoid means you always think someone's talking behind your back while being fake to your face, people are constantly plotting against you somehow, and no one really says what they mean. I've learned over the years to recognize paranoid thoughts and dismiss them. They always disintegrate in the face of logic. Arguments like "Why would Alex think that about you?" or "Why would Sarah say something like that about you? That makes no sense." or "Your bosses have better things to do than come up with elaborate plots to fire you" have always shoved the paranoia monster right back down in his hole. Indeed, the most effective and liberating realization I ever had was that most people don't spend that much time thinking about me at all. Not that I'm unloved, but paranoia is a very self-centered mindset, and slapping it with the strong realization that "it's not about you" shrivels it up like salt on a slug. But when your first instinct is to assume that people are somehow hiding something from you, it feeds the voice that says "She doesn't really like you, she's just being polite because she's a nice person and you're a turd and she pities you." And when I meet someone who really is a nice person, as well as being a stone-cold hottie, and she does something volatile like talk to me (gasp!), then the thought process mentioned above kicks in and I can't even bring myself to say something back to her. And then I look like a massive jerk, or like I'm not interested, or I'm just plain anti-social, and there goes that self-fulfilling prophecy again. And then seeing the effects of my failure brought on by my madness fuels the madness itself (See what you did to her? See how you made her feel! You dick!), and I end up miserable again. And all this poor girl did was walk in the room and smile at me.
Another possibility is a sense of self-perfection that has plagued me since I was a child. My mother, if you give her the slightest provocation, will tell you all about how I would never try something new because I might be bad at it. When I was a kid, I wouldn't play Pac-Man in the arcade with the other kids, because I might be bad at it. I tried roller skating once, fell down, and that was the end of it. Now, as an adult, I see a gorgeous woman, and then I look down at my massive gut and I look around at my house full of video games and think "What the hell makes you think you're good enough?" But here's the clencher: I think, "Okay, weight loss time. Houston, we have motivation. Gonna turn those negative thoughts into positive ones." Part of me says "Ditch the games, goober. Start investing in stocks, get a real job and buy a Porsche if you want a woman. Play the game." But I know that would lead to real serious unhappiness for me, my hobbies bring me too much joy. And I know better than to sacrifice my happiness in the pursuit of companionship, that always ends badly. Eventually, however, I come to the realization that even if I were a millionaire Ivy-League underwear model, I still wouldn't be good enough for myself. It's a game I can't possibly win, and any motivation I had goes out the window. If you can't win, why play?
This too, is fucking crazy.
I'm tired of being crazy. I'm tired of my thoughts going in circles every damn day. I'm tired of being depressed by things that I love. I'm tired of alienating people I would like to attract, I'm tired of coming off as abrasive and off-putting to people I want to get close to. I have some wonderfully patient friends who have been drug through a lot over this, and I've worn out the patience of more than one of them. Poor Amanda has been trying for several years, and every now and then she tests the waters. This post, in a way, is for people like her, and Bob, and Jeremy, and Loreena, and Sarah C., and anyone else who's tried to help me sort this out.
I'm crazy. And I don't know how to stop it.

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aabh
date: Apr. 30th, 2008 07:07 am (UTC)
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I'm in a hole like this one right now... the trappings are different, the results different, but the hole the same... If you figure out how to tell that idiot voice to shut up, please pass that along... I shall do likewise... In the meantime, know that at least you aren't alone in this boat... and row faster ;) ---G
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derrosencrantz
date: Apr. 30th, 2008 07:50 am (UTC)
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The past couple of years have gotten a lot better for me. A big part of over coming my issues were figuring out where they originated from and confronting them head on. Only having my own experiences it's hard to say if what worked for me would work for anyone else.
From what I have read and knowing you I would say we share the problem of being our own harshest critic. I know you said you understand the problem and know what to do, but it just doesn't work. I know that routine, I've done it. It sucks knowing what to do and failing to implement it. The failure helps to create the illusion that it is hopeless. It's not. Draw on the strength of your friends. That is what we are here for.
Remember that the faults you see in yourself are ten times smaller than what you see. And remind yourself that no matter how "out of your league" someone may seem to you, they have their own faults they are dealing with and are just as human as you. Don't let failure get the better of you.
Oh, and Aabh, sorry to tell you this but there isn't any hope for you. JUST KIDDING, AABH!!! :)
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We are boen broken, and live by memding.
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wilder_hiryu
date: Apr. 30th, 2008 03:48 pm (UTC)
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So, having said that, I think your problem is your self image, what you believe to be your self worth. My friend, I have been in this very same place of projecting being put together and just not believing or feeling like I was, while most everyone around me was none the wiser. I did such a good job denying it that I wasn't even sure I had that hole in me until a friend of mine called me out on it, so you're already ahead of the game.
You think your manga and video games and RPG books are a hinderence to finding someone? Look at Troy. Look at Bob. Look at me. And fandom is exploding these days, thereby expanding the potential base for relationships.
You are a good man. You know what makes you happy, and you aren't going to kill yourself doing things against your nature under the guise of trying to pursue happiness, as that would destroy what joy you would have garnered from an improved life.
The stage has a good amount of setting on it already, let's actually start the show.
You know what you have to do, now do your best. Playing DBZ? Do some TKD excersises during those load screens. Really good at situps, but not so good at pushups? Take breaks between situp sets by doing a smaller set of pushups. Your knees feeling alright? Do a set of stairs at work. Have a buddy or three looking to lose weight? Let's talk about our goals and start working out and motivating each other, honor system applies.
And, when you see a girl that you like, Do Your Best. If your best is stuttering and turning red and you feel inadequate, it's still much better than what you're doing now, and better that what your doing to yourself now.
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date: Apr. 30th, 2008 04:13 pm (UTC)
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Ditto for the weight loss thing. Alex and I are going to start getting together to just walk. I know Denver's not your neck of the woods, but you would be more than welcome. And maybe after a while walking we'll progress to jogging or something.
As for talking to women I have very little advice. Luckily my wife was one the one who started our relationship ball rolling; apparently though I have a ton of co-workers crushing on me. My secret? I treat them like people, not like attractive members of the opposite sex. I know it's not much, but it's what I've got. But you know that tip already.
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mightybakudan
date: Apr. 30th, 2008 04:27 pm (UTC)
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Maybe this is just the Boss and I need to gain a level or something. Although really, it seems like I need to visit the sage on the mountain top and learn to do things in a different way to win this fight.
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date: Apr. 30th, 2008 04:33 pm (UTC)
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Also realize that this isn't something you need to do alone; and demon-y type things seem to fall faster when attacked by the group, or at least that what's FFX taught me.
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wilder_hiryu
date: Apr. 30th, 2008 04:51 pm (UTC)
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One of the ways to do that is to do things anyway. i.e. Work out even though it tells you it's pointless. After time, as the results become more and more apparent, you can counter the demon with that.
You asked me for help last week, and I didn't even realize that you were asking it. I may be slow at times, but I tend to get a clue eventually.
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date: Apr. 30th, 2008 05:12 pm (UTC)
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beelzebozo
date: Apr. 30th, 2008 05:26 pm (UTC)
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That demon is always going to be with you. Always. Every person has a version of that demon and some simply have the ability to keep it caged or filter it out most of the time. Make peace with the fact you'll never be rid of it and you will have to factor it into your equations and you'll have a much better chance at succeeding. I know some of my shortcomings and I have to factor in that this, this, and this is going to take a little extra effort on my part. It doesn't always work, but I know my chances are worse when I don't factor them in.
But, to echo Alex, stop feeding it. Just because it's always going to be there doesn't mean you can't make it small and weak. Evidence against is always the best remedy and if small steps are good to start with, then start with small steps. And get some people to help, friends or family. Sometimes someone looking in from the outside has a better perspective and nothing helps me out of my hole than Emily or my parents showing me the hole isn't what it seems to be. That in my perspective, the hole is very deep, but by making me look at it another direction, it's actually very shallow and I can easily just step out of it.
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date: Apr. 30th, 2008 06:43 pm (UTC)
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By going in and making that attempt, even if you fail, and saying, "Hey, I learned something." It builds that confidence just a little bit, and the next time that voice comes in, he's just a little quieter.
Even if we fail miserably, and feel like the worst piece of crap in the world, and still pick ourselves up, dust off and try again. Things gradually get better...
You helped me to learn that in TKD, and I've applied it in the rest of my life too...
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wilder_hiryu
date: Apr. 30th, 2008 04:47 pm (UTC)
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I swear, one of these days I'm going to learn to type.
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beelzebozo
date: Apr. 30th, 2008 05:08 pm (UTC)
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As far as the girl thing, well, my record is abysmal until Emily. That's the one that clicked and I am grateful every day for it. But part of it was trying to stick to my guns. Just because I'm attracted to someone doesn't mean we are a good fit. It might be fine to begin with, but if you want it to last beyond a couple dates, then you have to be good friends as well. If she's not into video games and anime, well, she's not for you. She doesn't have to like everything you do, but if she is mature, she's not going to insist you throw out everything you don't have in common. I held out for an anime fan and that makes things so much easier.
As an anecdote, in one of my college classes, they showed us some of the movie "Tommy Boy". Not a good movie, but it had one good little lesson in it that the teacher wanted to emphasize. Tommy was trying to sell shocks in order to save his family's business. After several terrible attempts, he and David Spade's character sit down for some food. The waitress tells them the fryer has been turned off for the day, but Tommy manages to charm his way into getting her to turn it back on and get some wings made. Spade's character sits there slack jawed and asks him how he did that, since all of his previous attempts to sell anyone on anything failed so badly. Tommy shrugged and said that he didn't worry about it because if he didn't get wings, it wasn't the end of the world, but he thought he'd make the attempt anyway. Of course, this is the break through they need and soon Tommy is selling shocks like a pro. They wanted to emphasize that idea to us, that selling our work or services would fail if we tried too hard. But if we relaxed and didn't treat it like this deal was make or break, then we might have an easier time. Now it's not always easy to remember, especially under pressure, but I remember my mindset in approaching Emily to invite her to eat out with the gang after the DAI meeting was, "Well, what the hell, if she turns me down, she turns me down and I'm still going out for food anyway". Maybe that's why it worked :-)
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date: Apr. 30th, 2008 05:14 pm (UTC)
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sixtyforty
date: Apr. 30th, 2008 05:24 pm (UTC)
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This is the very same stuff I battle with myself. My inner critic is exceptionally harsh and damaging to my self-esteem. For me, confidence comes from faking it so much that the pretend confidence becomes so natural that it's almost the same thing as real confidence.
As for exercise, trying to get myself to look good for others has never been a sufficient motivator to actually get me exercising. The best exercise patterns I've gotten into are when I start doing it with a friend because I enjoy their company, and eventually I start realizing how good it makes me feel, so it's easier to keep doing. Lately, I've been walking at lunchtime with a coworker, and we just wander the nearby trails bitching about work and life and other stuff that gets our heart rate up. It's very therapeutic!
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systemreactor
date: Apr. 30th, 2008 06:23 pm (UTC)
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Point the first: You are a decent guy, despite the fact that you suck at fighting games. You know your strengths and weaknesses, and that in itself speaks volumes. Many people do not realize what their strengths and weaknesses are. I am going to reflect the same advice you gave to me many moons ago: stop being so goddamn hard on yourself.
Point the second: Women don't make you happy. Sure they are nice to have around for snuggling and digital-vaginal contact, but if you ain't happy with yourself, what's the point? That and I know plenty of men who are miserable with attractive women.
Find women that like you for who you are, broken rims and all. Best advice on this came from Roger: BE YOURSELF BUT BETTER.
Weight loss is something I am working on as well, but I also realized that you gotta like me for what's inside. No matter what my outer shell looks like, you still gotta deal with the yolk inside.
The thing is, I came to the realization not too long ago (an epiphany, if you will), that I am an awesome guy that people like to be around and no amount of rejection from any female is going to change that fact. They were not worth my time anyway; I simply get to move on to someone more deserving.
That's all I got right now.
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judithmb
date: Apr. 30th, 2008 06:34 pm (UTC)
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One of the important lessons I learned in life is the worst thing that can happen if you ask for something, is that you may be told "no," and I can deal with that. No one will do anything worse.
Have you asked yourself what would happen if you made an approach and got turned down?
I love you, and I'm not your therapist.
Mom
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Good lord...
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alice_anyone
date: Apr. 30th, 2008 07:03 pm (UTC)
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I do this to myself all the time. I have such a weird face with its mixed up German/Irish/Indian/??? roots, that two square centimeters on that side looks good if viewed carefully at the right angle in the right light, and otherwise I look like the man in the moon. You have no idea how much a small comment from you that's positive about how I look does for how I feel, because I feel like any time you say something like that it's something you've thought through and say carefully, not just off the cuff.
Your opinions are weighty, and considered. This may be an actual positive in your relationships of whatever kind with women because we know if you say something you mean it.
If you really want to turn this whole thing around and work it from another angle - there are some I think might work from your general approach to life. I don't know how mobile you are these days, but you are a highly motivated Helper. Why not come and walk with me so I actually walk? Gordon tries, but it's a big motivator to see a friend, since I could see Gordo sitting in the house anyway without walking. ^_^ Not very mobile? Got anyone else more nearby where your joining forces with them on health and fitness reinforces what _they_ need?
You are very deep-rooted in your social connections. With that in mind, maybe a tag team operation would help. Person A introduces you to Roller Girl B, making it very clear to Roller Girl B that you are really very shy (which is one thing that fear of exposure of your non-perfection really comes down to in social interactions). You keep Person A up to date on how you're feeling, and if needed in crunch mode call Person A or text them for a pep talk. Be careful not to let this devolve into a Hollywood comedy.
Or go non-verbal on it. You wrote above about freezing up when someone you cared about was giving you all the go-ahead signals. So you're capable of writing it. Write it some more. Write it to her. Or don't write at all, instead of going into vapor lock to open to say "You're pretty spiffy," just kiss the girl, it gets the same message across and you can worry about the words later.
And maybe, with all the love in the world, come down off your high horse. I'm on one myself, I totally recognize that "not playing pacman in front of other people" meme. It would be why I didn't play DDR with the J and A guests after hours at Expo... and I know that if they ever think of me at all they still think I'm standoffish for it. I'd be the person who practiced it for four months in a closet, then if I still sucked, would chicken out, and if I was excellent at it would tell people I couldn't do it because I suck because otherwise I'd feel like a jerk doing it and pretending I hadn't been practicing for four months. LOL But one thing I've realized is that setting up life so that you never fail in front of other people presupposes that it's *possible* never to fail in front of other people. Which means 1) you don't trust them (including your friends) with how they see you if you fail, and 2) you think it's actually possible to look perfect. Give up that illusion and trust your friends to love you anyway and life suddenly gets soooooooooo much easier. And if they don't love you anyway, they should jump off a cliff because someone always won't, and that person belongs under a steamroller (that bit is Gordon's philosophy there).
Of course, this is me who is worrying about my future career because of my gut and my crooked teeth and my glasses and my complexion and my hair and my wardrobe and my man in the moon face. And even if I could fix every single thing in that list, I'd still have a better than even chance of sticking my foot in my mouth. Or getting my skirt caught in my slip or having toilet paper on the bottom of my shoe or any number of other things I'd have to commit suicide over. I think I'm going to work on the things I can work on like the weight and teeth that will make me happier and feel better in life in general. The rest I'm just going to have to plow through the best I can knowing that I am not likely to come out looking perfect in any case so I'd better practice being graceful in failure. ^_^
Becca
As mediocre as Salieri
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Re: Good lord...
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swgarasu
date: May. 1st, 2008 03:07 pm (UTC)
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I've said before I was teased a lot growing up. I don't like to think about it because it was really, really bad. People would call me albino, ghost, and casper - people I had never met before, and never done anything to. They did it just to mock me and hurt my feelings and it worked. They did it for YEARS. I had many schoolmates over the years come up and say to my face "You are ugly".
You are not the only one with self esteem issues. I still deal with them. I often look in the mirror and think "God, I look so awful."
For me, I had to find something to like about life. I loved animals and they loved me back. I found that I could find things to like about myself. I found other people actually found things to like about me as well. When I found I was able to like myself, I found love.
Some practical tips-
If you want to lose weight, just do it. No excuses, no "but it won't matter" - just make it a goal and do it. Setting goals each week or month and meeting them will not only make you healthier, it'll help you feel better about yourself. I find I can only exercise if it's doing something I enjoy, so if you're like that, go find something you enjoy and do it.
Watch some shows like "What not to Wear." Because you'll see that the main thing is that when people allow themsevles to change, they change the way they think when they change how they look, and this changes how they feel.
Wear clothes that make you feel good. Spend extra time making yourself look nice and smell nice so you FEEL nice. If your clothes are stained and wrinkled how can you feel confident? (Not saying they are, just saying when you try to present yourself at your best, you'll feel more confident).
So that pretty much covers the presentation aspect. But it's still part of the bigger picture. Untill you think you're good enough to live with, you won't think you're good enough to live with - and you know that kills a relationship. You know it. You have to fix it. Your friends can be supportive, but you have to fix it. You have to change, to change things.
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Re: Good lord...
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mightybakudan
date: May. 2nd, 2008 05:33 pm (UTC)
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Re: Good lord...
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date: May. 2nd, 2008 06:57 pm (UTC)
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I do know now that not all people see things the same way- thank God. :)
And I've always felt that as long as the person you dig, digs you back, then that's all that matters.
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One more thing
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angry_joe_buss
date: May. 1st, 2008 03:51 pm (UTC)
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date: May. 2nd, 2008 05:31 pm (UTC)
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From the other side
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date: May. 3rd, 2008 09:13 pm (UTC)
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Like you, I had long-term issues with the opposite sex. I really think that the thing that helped me get over a lot of it was therapy, because I had problems within me and my own self-esteem that affected how I dealt with other people ... including not really being open to the possibility of a relationship.
It really sounds as though you don't have a realistic idea of yourself ... I've known you a long time (not as intimately as your close friends, admittedly) and no, you're not perfect. No one is. But in terms of someone a woman could trust in a relationship, you are way ahead of a lot of men who somehow manage to get women to sleep with them, marry them, have children with them--all the while the guys are cheating on them, abusing them, etc. So the idea that you are unworthy of a relationship is ludicrous to people who know you.
I think you're right not to give up the things you currently love in hopes of becoming/masquerading as a person you think deserves someone. Besides, you're more likely to find a compatible someone through things you enjoy.
While I wouldn't discourage you from losing weight or becoming more physically active (or even sprucing up your wardrobe), I would urge you not to think that you have to do those things before you can look for/be open to/deserve a relationship. If I'd done that, I'd still be waiting to start my life... instead, it turns out that my sweetie actually likes zaftig women.
Finally, here's a couple of actual solid ideas in case you'd like to try them. If time/money permits, I don't discount therapy as a possible assistance--DU may still offer sliding scale therapy (I worked with a *great* therapist there who was getting her advanced degree).
Something else that helped me get over a lot of my fear about rejection in dating situations was running a personal ad in Westword. I actually got a number of hits and met a lot of guys that way, none of which I really clicked with and a bunch of whom basically rejected me--but it drove home in a fairly short period of time and on a visceral level that rejection *didn't* kill me, and that sometimes it would be me doing it, too. I guess ads are out-of-date, but there's a lot of internet sites.
The low-tech option is to try what I recommended to a friend once--promiscuous dating. Not meaning having sex, but if you could get yourself to ask a lot of women out casually, including those you might like but not be seriously interested in, it would be emotional practice. And having coffee or going to a movie doesn't have to be fraught.
My mother once told me that one of the most nicest traits another person can have is liking you .. most people have some degree of the insecurity you have, and there is something very affirming and attractive about being around someone who thinks you are interesting/wonderful/worthwhile. So trying to let people you like see that you like them is a good plan ... and not just for potential romantic relationships.
I wish you the best in your evolution ... and remember, all the intelligent and insightful people who think you are worthwhile are unlikely to be wrong.
Hugs.
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